● From the first article, the "Practical Guide":
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"From left, Cleo, Tony, Kiki, and Atom." Photo: Maurizio Cattelan & Pierpaolo Ferrari
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Reporting by Allison P. Davis, Alistair Kitchen, Alyssa Shelasky, Anya
Kamenetz, and Bindu Bansinath
If you live in New York, it’s very possible you’ve recently found yourself
chatting with a co-worker, or listening to the table next to you at a
restaurant, and heard some variation of “They just opened up, and they’re
so much happier.” Or “My partner’s partner truly sucks.” Ethical
non-monogamy isn’t new... and it isn’t exactly mainstream, but it isn’t so
fringe either (or reserved for those who live in the Bay Area). A curious
person might be tempted to download Feeld or let their partner know over
salmon they’re ready to let in a third.
But though people don’t talk about it in hushed tones anymore —
Riverdale just ended with Archie, Betty, Jughead, and Veronica in a
quad, after all — it isn’t such a simple thing to do well. There are a
million things that can go awry, from the small and awkward (oversharing
about a date) to the enormous and life-imploding (ending an otherwise fine
relationship). The poly-curious among you likely have questions about the
day-to-day operations — how do you tell your kids about it? Where do you
find people to date? What if your partner gets way more matches than you
do? What if their new partner is way hotter than you? ...
We talked to nearly 40 people — some who’ve had open relationships for
decades, others who only recently opened things up — to figure out how to
capably, or at least less messily, date non-monogamously.
It's long. Here are the subheads, then some samples.
1. Is There Only One Way to Do It?
2. Wait, What Is a ‘Metamour’?
3. How Do I Broach This With My Partner?
4. Should We Come Up With Some Rules?
5. Where Do I Meet People?
6. Does My Wife Want to Hear About My Night?
7. Should We Sleep With Them on the First Date?
8. How Much Time Does This All Take?
9. Am I Being Nice Enough to My Boyfriend’s Girlfriend?
10. Should We Tell Our Kids?
11. And What About Co-workers?
12. What Can Go Wrong?
Is There Only One Way to Do It?
There are many, and choosing which one suits you depends on a lot of
factors: Are you currently in a relationship? If you are, do you want
other relationships to take equal priority? Do you want to fall in love
with other people or just have sex with them? A non-exhaustive taxonomy:
...
– Open Relationship:
In a strictly technical sense, this is when you and your partner can have
sexual, but not romantic, relationships with other people.
– Swinging: A
couple who have sex or dates with other people as a duo.
– Hierarchical
polyamory:
When you and your partner can have relationships — romantic or sexual —
with other people but have agreed to remain each other’s primary partner.
You might pursue these relationships as a couple or separately.
– Nonhierarchical
polyamory:
There are no primary partners in this scenario — everyone is on an equal
footing.
– Solo-poly: A
single person pursuing multiple intimate or sexual relationships while
trying to avoid riding the Relationship Escalator. This means you’re not
particularly interested in, say, sharing a home or bank account with any
one person.
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Illustrations: Jim Stoten / New York Magazine
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Wait, What Is a ‘Metamour’?
Becoming non-monogamous doesn’t mean you have to join a ten-person
polycule or memorize ‘The Ethical Slut.’ Still, there are terms that many
non-monogamous people will use while discussing their arrangements, and
it’ll make things easier to familiarize yourself with at least a few.
– Comet partner...
– Compersion...
– Kitchen-table
polyamory...
– Metamour...
– Monogamish...
– New-relationship
energy (NRE)...
– Nesting
partners...
– One-penis policy
(OPP)...
– Polysaturated...
– Primary
partners...
– Relationship
escalator...
– Vee structure...
– Veto Power...
How Do I Broach This With My Partner?
There are so many ways this conversation could go wrong. So we asked three
couples who handled it well — and one who might have handled it better —
to tell us how they first proposed it. ...
Should We Come Up With Some Rules?
When couples start being non-monogamous, there are, in general,
two kinds of rules they tend to set. The first is about the
structure of the arrangement. Are you seeing new people as a duo, or is it
okay to pursue an outside relationship on your own? Are you remaining each
other’s primary partners, or are you eliminating the hierarchy entirely?
Breaking these kinds of rules can feel like a violation or at least
require serious negotiation.
...The second kind of rules are of the more tactical, logistics-y variety.
Keep your wedding ring on always, for example, or no sleepovers at home,
or no more than two dates with other people per week. Nearly every couple
we spoke to said that
these types of rules are more like training wheels: important to
set up and follow in the beginning to make everyone feel safe but likely
to fall off as people get more comfortable. ...
A lot of the responsibility lies with the hinge, or mutual partner,
in making sure nobody feels neglected. ... “When you are the middle
person, you need to make sure that you’re giving equal amounts of
attention to those two people,” Alejandra says. “It can be mental
gymnastics: Okay, I held this person’s hand. So I have to hold this
person’s hand. Oh, I gave this person a kiss. Oh, fuck, I want to make
sure that everyone feels loved.”
... Alejandra describes the situation: “I’m like, I’ve gained about 20
pounds, so I do not feel super-comfortable in my skin, and Ivy’s gorgeous.
As soon as I felt that, I just started talking about it in front of
everyone, and Diego told me some nice things, that I’m superhot and
fuckable, and that’s what I needed. He did a great job. I would love to go
on a little trip with them all again.”
But if your metamour is giving you a genuinely bad feeling, don’t ignore
it.
Ali recalls a former metamour who grew angry after she and her husband
tried to set boundaries. “She told him she had HPV, which is not a scary
thing to most people, but I have a family history of cancer,” Ali says. “I
said that certain sex acts are off the table, and she ended up exploding
on him on his birthday while he was with his family, just keeping him on
the phone for hours and hours.” The relationship ended on its own, but if
it hadn’t, Ali would’ve intervened. “The language would have been, ‘I
noticed so-and-so is treating you in this way, and I feel like you deserve
better.’”
How Much Time Does This All Take?
...Right now, I feel at capacity with one secondary partner and my
husband. If my one secondary partner were way more casual, then maybe I
could date two people. In order to keep my nuclear family my priority, the
amount of time I put toward this other relationship has a maximum.
I think I’ve ended up sacrificing my more introverted hobbies. So I’ve
done less reading. The gardening and yard work and just a lot of
home-improvement stuff I let go to the wayside. I’ve done less crafts. I
think Matt has too. I know he’s put aside house projects because he needs
time to go on dates. He used to do a lot more woodworking. ...
...What Can Go Wrong?
More people means more interpersonal dynamics — double or triple the
giddiness, maybe, but also double or triple the jealousy, anxiety,
abandonment, and painful breakups.
– The hierarchy might
shift. ...
– You might become a
third wheel. ...
– Your partner might
date someone who wants you gone. ...
– They might realize
they’d rather be monogamous. ...
– You might tire of
your secondary status. ...
– They might leave you
behind. ...
– You two might drift
apart. ...
– Or it might just
break your relationship. ...
Read the whole thing.
About the how-to being so couple centric: The fact is, a majority of American adults are married or living together (58% according to the US Census Bureau, 2021) and a good fraction of the rest would
like to be. So this is where most new poly people come from. But New York should have made a better nod to this not being the only way; there's just one quick mention of solo poly, and none of RA (relationship anarchy).
● The next of the three
articles is What Does a Polycule Actually Look Like? Meet Nick and Sarah and Anna
and Alex … It's a deep dive into a messy, complicated polycule with other
attachments, by a skeptical observer. Her many snarks at
things like Burning Man, psychedelics, and "advanced therapyspeak" suggest some cultural hostility. But it's a useful portrayal of what you may be
getting into, depending on who is in the group, including yourself. Poly
is not for everyone.
By Allison P. Davis
features writer for New York Magazine and
the Cut [part of New York]
...For Nick and Sarah, the relationship design looks like this: Nick and
Sarah are married. Sarah has had multiple other committed relationships
while married to Nick. Currently, Nick has a girlfriend, Anna, who has a
husband, Alex — all the names in this story have been changed to protect
their privacy — and Alex has other people with whom he explores his
desires.
In terms of the (frankly alienating) ethical non-monogamy glossary, these
two couples are part of a polycule. ... They are part of the same friend group and sometimes wind
up at the same parties and have semi-regular one-on-one hangs.
The easiest way to explain all of this might be in the love language of
most ethically non-monogamous people: Google Calendar. Sarah and Nick
share a calendar. Nick and Anna share a calendar. Alex and Anna share a
calendar. Sarah and Anna do not share a calendar but are aware of who has
Nick’s time on any given day; same for Nick and Alex. They are Sarah and
Nick and Anna and Alex, a modern polycule, living, laughing, loving, and
doing a lot of therapy.
...In the modern era of ethical non-monogamy, in which Jessica Fern’s 2020
book, Polysecure, has become this generation’s
The Ethical Slut... polyamory feels less like a caricature
(horny Park Slope parents or Bushwick Gen-Zers in a commune) and more like
just another way to date.... At least from the outside. On the inside,
achieving a successful polycule isn’t always so simple. Just ask Sarah and
Nick and Anna and Alex.
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...In Nick’s previous relationship,
there had been clear-cut rules: “You can hang out with your other partner
once a week; always use condoms.” At first, he tried to impose the same
rules when setting up guardrails for his dynamics with Sarah. “From the
beginning,” said Nick, “Sarah resisted that. She was like, ‘I don’t
understand why we would set a one-day-a-week max,’ or she would push it
and be like, ‘Can we do two days a week?’ And then I would be like, ‘Whoa,
what does that mean?’”
...When a polycule is well oiled and running smoothly, even the stickier
situations are part of what makes it good. Some time after the polycule
coalesced, Nick and Sarah had a wedding — well, less a “wedding” and more
a party that was an expression of love and community and what they stood
for in their relationship. Alex and Anna were there. Over the course of
the party, Anna recalls feeling like everyone was checking on her —
wondering how she felt about Nick getting married, wondering if it was
awkward or painful for her. In reality, she and Alex were supporting one
of Sarah’s partners, she recalls. “I was really the only one at the
wedding who understood the challenge around the dynamic and tried to
support them through visible sadness and the angst and discomfort. I think
a lot of people then perceived, because another partner was going through
it, that I must also be going through it, but I honestly was just having a
great time.”
Celebrating your lover while they marry their partner while supporting
your lover’s lover’s lover while they go through it is an example of what
Anna calls “living life on hard mode.” “There’s a real sense of connection
that I think comes from doing hard things, and I’m someone who likes to do
hard things,”
Sarah explains further. “Some people like to run marathons. We like to do
polyamory, complex relationship stuff.” “Sarah’s favorite activity
for the two of us to do is couples therapy,” Nick says, smiling.
“Navigating the relationship dynamics is kind of generally a fun thing for
us. It’s like for relationship nerds.”
...The polycule soon fell into a groove. Nick felt comfortable if Sarah
wanted to have up to three overnights a week with her partner, though it
normalized into one or two — she found she was actually too busy for any
more than that. Nick and Anna have one date night a week, but sometimes he
sees her every day, just for little bits. Nick and Anna have been able to
take a weekend trip to Nick’s place outside of the city after negotiations
and scheduling conversations with Alex and Sarah. At this stage, Nick has
told his parents about Anna, and Anna, though she’s not out to her
parents, has told her brother, who is mostly supportive.
...“In my best times, I see it as an amazing opportunity to confront things
and work through them,” Nick says. “In my worst times, I’m like, Oh God,
why didn’t I choose a normal relationship, where, yes, I’m sure I would’ve
felt claustrophobic and domestic and boring and not fully expressed. But
it would’ve been stable and comfortable and maybe would’ve allowed me to
go explore other things instead of having to spend so much of my energy
navigating relationship stuff.”
Meanwhile, in her sublet, Sarah is reading books and making art and
writing poetry. ... Sarah is more reserved, especially when it comes to
sharing details about “tender” situations, and she’s also protective of
the other members of her polycule. ... There are specific moments she
cherishes: sitting between two partners on the couch, being at an event
and holding her two partners’ hands at the same time. “Even though life
isn’t the smoothest, when you can feel multiple people loving on you at
the same time, I think that’s one of the greatest joys in life,” she says.
She thinks about the way her mother has aged and gotten sick, all without
a strong support system. Then she remembers how last year Nick’s birthday
and her grad-school graduation fell on the same day. She was so stressed
out, but Anna stepped in to make his birthday cake and throw his party.
“I’m just horrible at making birthday cakes! It’s like if my entire
identity hinged on I have to be the perfect birthday-cake-maker — now I
can recognize that’s not my love language.” If there’s any jealousy about
Nick and Anna, it’s overshadowed by the realization that Nick, in being
with Anna, is a fuller version of himself. ...
The third article is
Ethical Sluthood at 79,
Dossie Easton is standing on the porch of her cottage tucked in the trees.
“Over here,” she shouts — useful instruction, as the redwoods of western
Marin, California, occlude just about everything.
...[The Ethical Slut], known as the poly bible, is sort of a cross
between Joy of Cooking, Our Bodies, Ourselves, and
The Official Preppy Handbook — part instruction manual, part
physical guide, part totem of a growing subculture. It’s sold hundreds of
thousands of copies since the first of its three editions was published in
1997. “Who would think,” Easton asks, “you could fund your retirement with
a book about being a slut?”
...Easton lives alone and her kitchen is the magic hippie haven you want it
to be: prints of mushrooms on the walls, a cabinet full of tea, dreamy
black-and-white photographs of her daughter, now in her mid-50s, when she
was a free-range gay-commune-dwelling child. A wooden bookholder rests
astride Easton’s claw-foot bathtub. Her living room is filled with
shrines: feathers, rocks, candles, and alters to goddesses, including
Mercy and Severity. Last year, Easton tells me, she fell and shattered her
elbow. Would I mind cutting these apples and that persimmon for us to
snack on with the “slightly interesting” local cheese? She moves slowly,
carefully. The years of exuberant physicality are gone. She would like to
be well enough to hike in the lush mountains around her home again.
“Would you mind slicing the bread?”
She is adept at asking for what she wants.
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How to love without possessing? How to free yourself of shame? How to find
liberation, transcendence, even community through the body? These are the
questions that have animated Easton’s life. She grew up in Andover,
Massachusetts...
On an acid trip in 1969, after her daughter was born, Easton had an
epiphany: Sexual liberation — practicing it, educating others about it —
was her life’s work. She vowed never to be monogamous again. “I could not
figure out how it was ever going to benefit me in any way to be some guy’s
territory,” she tells me. “It was too dangerous.” She realized we had a
right to enjoy sex — we all had a right to enjoy sex — with whomever we
pleased as long as we treated everyone involved well. This, for Easton,
like many others, was explicitly linked to feminism. She came out as
bisexual. Who would she be if she wasn’t “trying to behave like a wife,”
if she instead was “working to complete myself as a human being on an
individual basis, not by being someone else’s other half.” ...
...Easton hoped, in The Ethical Slut, people would find not just a
lexicon, not just a way to start dismantling the boxes in your brain, but
a community. “Nothing builds intimacy like shared vulnerability,
right?” she says. “And what could be more vulnerable than taking all your
clothes off at a party?” You also learn “if you look around that everybody
looks gorgeous when they’re having an orgasm. Awkward positions and waving
the feet in the air, making outrageous noises, screaming, grimacing faces,
and they look great.”...
Among Easton’s favorite ideas in The Ethical Slut is that
relationships, like water, seek their own natural level, if we let them
flow. ...
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● Elsewhere, further mainstream media are spotlighting Molly
Roden Winter's new memoir More (see my previous post), which was also published on January 16.
– The UK's Financial Times: A memoir of open marriage — the joy of extramarital sex (paywalled)
While it’s easy to mock open marriage — and Roden Winter does plenty of
this herself — it’s also clear that she and her husband are engaged in
something profound. They are giving each other the gift of freedom at
the same time that they are holding each other totally responsible for
honesty and commitment to the core relationship with each other. That’s
big. The couple has to struggle with massive amounts of jealousy on both
sides in exchange for freedom. But, as the author comes to realise,
quoting a line from “The Ethical Slut,” a polyamory handbook, “jealousy
is often the mask worn by the most difficult inner conflict you have
going on right now”.
– The Washington Post: This book about open marriage is going to blow up your group chat (Jan 14)
Let’s get this out of the way right now: This book is a scorcher.
“More: A Memoir of Open Marriage” is bound to be passed furtively from
friend to friend and gobbled up after the kids go to bed. It will make
for an electrifying book club pick, inciting debate over what marriage
means. Is monogamy the entire point? Is love? Does wanting your partner
to be happy include finding happiness in the arms (and bed) of another
person? Where does loyalty come into play — not just loyalty to a
relationship or a partner, but loyalty to one’s self?
Winter is 10 years into her relationship with her husband, Stewart,
when she storms out after he returns from work “early,” at almost 9
p.m., when she’s been home with their two kids all day. ... Winter meets
Matt, a younger, deep-voiced, green-eyed temptation to stray. One, we
find out later, who is cheating on his girlfriend. Eventually, Winter
branches out to hookups via Ashley Madison, a dating app with the
tagline “Life is short. Have an affair.” Dedicated ethical nonmongamists
will no doubt take issue with the unethical start to this open
relationship, but sex is messy in all the ways, and Winter’s experience
is no different.
...Winter and her husband don’t open their marriage as a way to fix it,
and throughout the book, they profess their love for each other. Stewart
had told Winter, before they were engaged, that one day, she would be
attracted to and want to have sex with another man. He told her that
this would be fine with him, as long as she told him everything. And now
here they are.
Winter also opens a floodgate of self-questioning
[that is, only about herself –Ed.]: Is she a good daughter? A good mother? As she walks into
bars she once passed while pushing her kids in strollers, Winter gets a
taste of fresh attraction, desire and the potential for sexual freedom.
Is this less an opening of a relationship than a desperate return to the
self?
...Winter feels the need to detail how much she loves her children and
loves being a mother, even on the worst days. I’ve come to think of this
as the Mother Tax of memoir writing, a levy that never seems to come due
for men. She goes on: “I can hardly remember the Before Times, when I
wasn’t caught in a constant swirl of secret lust and mother’s
guilt.”
The American aversion to allowing mothers any sort of basic sexual
existence, never mind a multi-partner, boundary-pushing one, challenges
the author and will challenge the reader, too. In contrast, it would be
impossible to miss that her husband
seems to glide through the experience of an open marriage like an
alligator in still waters.
... He never seems to suffer from jealousy, self-doubt or anything
remotely akin to “father’s guilt.”
The primary relationship that feels turned inside out is the author’s
relationship with herself. To be clear, this is a good thing. Many
readers will see themselves in Winter’s doubts and fury, even if they
don’t quite see themselves in her shoes otherwise. ...
– Time, in its "Ideas" section, gives Roden Winters a platform of her own: Why I Love My Open Marriage (Jan. 18). As the title suggests, it's indeed almost all about
herself; no hint of community.
Back in 2016, on one of the bleached-out days that fuse winter with
early spring, my husband Stewart and I sat on an oversized couch in
front of Evelyn, our couple’s therapist. Therapy had been my idea—or
more accurately, my ultimatum. We were several years into our open
marriage journey, and what had initially felt like a short-term
experiment was evolving into something else, a graft that was becoming
part of our marital flesh. What’s more, rules we had initially
established to protect ourselves from the inherent uncertainty of
non-monogamy were proving increasingly difficult to follow. (Our
cardinal rule—"no falling in love"—became particularly sticky.) ... So I threw down the gauntlet: agree to therapy,
or we would close the marriage.
...The language of marriage and the language of captivity have a long
history of overlap, but that language has often been reserved for men.
Referring to a wife as “the old ball and chain” is part of the lexicon.
Bachelor parties are held in the spirit of giving a groom “one last
night of freedom.” When I was growing up, however, little girls were
supposed to dream of their weddings as the climax of their lives.
...
...Over time, I came to realize the central fallacy of my original
approach to finding freedom through sex. What I needed to do was to set
myself free. For years, I marched from one “relationship” to the next,
thinking that a variety of partners was the point, my ticket to the
freedom I desired. But it turns out, they were simply distracting me
from the core that was being fortified within myself. Every time I
became intimate with someone new, I saw myself with fresh eyes. Every
time a relationship ended, I spent time nurturing the innermost me that
had been hurt. And so, over the years, my sense of self blossomed
because of the space that open marriage had created.
...I now see the landscape of my adventures in non-monogamy as a place of
great beauty, splendid in its lack of societal constructs, a place that
is purely my own. I carry this wilderness and a solid sense of home—my
own True North—within me. There is plenty of space for both. And if I
remember this, I will never be lost.
● The same day, in the
Wall Street Journal: You’re Looking for ‘The One.’ These Dating-App Users Are Looking for
‘Another One’ (Jan. 18, registration-walled). The subhead: "Open-relationship enthusiasts
crash mainstream romance apps, creating confusion among those who
prefer monogamy;
‘I do not want to be an accouterment.’"
Quite recently, polyfolks were complaining there was no good way for them
to identify themselves and their interests clearly on mainstream dating
apps. Now, claims the WSJ, that burden has shifted to the monogamous side.
By Katherine Bindley
Many people using dating apps are on them looking for “the one.”
Increasingly, they’re running into profiles of people looking for a
second, third or fourth.
The monogamists say mainstream dating apps like Hinge and Bumble are being
inundated with users who are in consensual open relationships, and
they’d like them to go find their own app.
Others say the apps are for people of all relationship styles and, as long
as they’re up front about it, what’s the problem? The profiles clearly
state: “ENM.”
The letters stand for ethical nonmonogamy and more often than not, aren’t
spelled out.
“I had to Google that,” says Natalie Broussard, who lives in southeast
Texas.
...As if online dating wasn’t hard enough—having to worry if someone is
lying about their age, or will ghost you, or is actually a bot catfishing
you—now users have to sift through profiles looking for land mine
nonstarters and grapple with increasingly expansive definitions of what it
means to be in a committed relationship.
...More-niche apps exist: Feeld markets itself as for those interested in
polyamory, consensual nonmonogamy, homo- and heteroflexibility,
pansexuality, asexuality, aromanticism and voyeurism, among other things.
But increasingly, the most popular apps are trying to appeal to
more-diverse groups of users.
In late 2022, Hinge rolled out the ability for users to designate their
“relationship type” at the top of their profile and whether they are
monogamous or not, which the company says was a response to the needs of
Gen Z. ...
Update: Four days later the WSJ followed that item with this: Polyamory: Lots of Sex, Even More Scheduling. "Open relationships are having a moment. Who has time for this?" (Jan. 22)
Kitty Chambliss is already planning her Valentine’s Day. Her husband will make ravioli and roasted vegetables. She’ll bake a cheesecake.
Then she’ll set a table for three: her husband, herself and her boyfriend.
You may have noticed that polyamory is having a moment. ...
● And simultaneously in another New York paper, Is your relationship ready for polyamory? 6 signs that point to yes (New York Post, Jan. 18. Both the Post and
the WSJ are Murdoch properties.)
The supposed six signs are,
-- One-on-one is the loneliest number...
-- Your mind is a curious one...
-- Other people give you ‘energy’...
-- The connection is strong with your partner...
-- There’s a distance in the bedroom...
-- You don’t think of it as a problem-solver...
● In the UK's major liberal paper The Guardian: Still searching for The One when polyamory is more fun? (Jan. 21). "Whether sparked by dating apps or our narcissistic
culture, group love is, well, on the rise"
By Hephzibah Anderson
Polyamorous relationships are having a moment. Or at least they are across
the Atlantic, where New York magazine last week sought to distract
its readers from the January blues with an extensive feature devoted to
the trending lifestyle choice. With a cover featuring a cuddling quad
(that’s a foursome) of cats, it offered “a practical guide for the curious
couple” and even got Whoopi Goldberg hinting at her own non-monogamous experiences on US talkshow The View.
It’s just the latest in a steady trickle of articles, books, films and TV
shows whose narratives have been drawing ethical non-monogamy in from the
hippie fringes (“Polyamory isn’t just for liberals”, preached a
Time headline a couple of months ago), making a YouGov poll less
surprising: roughly a third of Americans, it found,
prefer some degree of non-exclusivity
in their relationships.
We’re not quite so forthcoming in the UK, despite our reputation for being
less socially conservative. Only 10% of us are ready to consider a
polyamorous relationship and just 1% admit to being in one. Yet as anybody
who’s used a dating app lately will tell you, folk searching for not The
One but The Several seem to be everywhere. ...
...The polyamory movement has spawned its own lexicon, which seems pretty
prescriptive. This is not your mother’s free love. ...
The timing of the New York feature does solidify one key change in
the positioning of consensual non-monogamy: what was once seen as a threat
to the bourgeois institution of marriage is now being presented as its
saviour. It’s no coincidence that the article dropped in peak divorce
month. ...
● On the influential Black site The Grio: Why is everyone, including Whoopi Goldberg, talking about polyamory? (Jan. 19). "Whoopi Goldberg hinted at past polyamory
experiences as buzz around the relationship style builds."