The cast of "Polyamory: Married and Dating" today. Your folks see Ask Amy taking a poly question about them. The closeted, and more.
● The cast of that Showtime series — where are they now? The Showtime reality
series Polyamory: Married and Dating ran for two seasons in
the summers of 2012 and 2013. It was groundbreaking at the time, introducing
the word and the concept to a wider public than ever before. But
it was quite controversial in the polyamory community for a number of reasons,
including some poor models of what poly is or should be. Producer/director
Natalia Garcia defended the show passionately to the community, and there was
no doubting her sincerity and sympathy, though some of the situations and
characters were indeed pretty flawed. After all, it was a
reality show.
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The San Diego quad with producer/director Natalia Garcia (center) |
Although the series ended nine years ago, it's had a much bigger afterlife in reruns and streaming than in its original release. Evidence for this: I posted nearly
episode-by-episode recaps and commentaries (Season 1, Season 2), and my "where are they now?" posted
later in 2013 has had far more reads in the years since then than it did at
the time. In fact that post holds the this site's all-time record at 67,800
reads and growing. It was even the second most-read post in this last year,
nine years into its own afterlife.
Here it is 2022, and The Cinemaholic has just
published Where is the cast of Polyamory now?, by Kumari Shreya (Sept. 9).
The tl;dr: Some of the show's people and groups are still together, more are
broken up or reformed, all the cast seem to be doing somewhere from okay to
quite well in their lives, though the piece is not in-depth and I suspect the
writer may have put a favorable gloss on some things.
Interested?
Here you go.
● Elsewhere in mass media, "Ask Amy" just gave a sensible
answer to a common poly situation as the holidays approach:
‘We have chosen to be polyamorous ... mom hasn’t taken it well’ (Sept. 20). Amy's site says her column "is carried in over 150 newspapers and
read by an estimated 22 million readers daily."
DEAR AMY: I’m almost 50. I’ve been with my husband for 20 years.
We are stable and very much in love. We have chosen to be polyamorous for the past five years.
We didn’t tell my parents (and definitely not the in-laws!), but one Thanksgiving just before the pandemic I was going to have my partner of one year with me (“Steve”), and so I told my parents.
Mom hasn’t taken it well. ... The pandemic solved the “holiday dilemma” for a couple of years, but that won’t fly this year.
Mom refuses to accept Steve.
I refuse to leave him alone on a major holiday.
I’ve invited them to our home for Thanksgiving this year (where I get to decide who sits at the table), but what about Christmas? That’s Mom’s favorite holiday and she loves to decorate and host. I don’t really do any of that.
How do I handle this? We’re not making out in front of her (we don’t even hold hands or flirt). We’re just existing, but she refuses to have him in her home. ...
I want to spend the holidays with my mom. She may not have many of them left, but I don’t want to leave someone I love alone on the holiday. ...
-- Two DirectionsDEAR TWO DIRECTIONS: The good thing about Christmas is that it really envelops a season, with at least two good opportunities to gather: Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.
Amy Dickinson
Many families split things down the middle during the holidays, and so if you want to be with your mom for Christmas dinner, then go there and enjoy yourself. “Steve” can either hang with your husband during the event, and -- my preference -- go to the movies.If your husband chooses to hang behind with Steve and your mother doesn’t like it, that is a consequence of all of the choices all of you are making.... You can tell her, “My husband would have come, but we didn’t want to leave Steve alone on Christmas.”
The interesting thing here is the history. Amy has come around to taking poly
questions seriously in recent years, after being contemptuous or dismissive in
times past. I'm sure your private letters to her explaining yourselves
helped.
● A deeply felt account from a closeted polyfamily: Being a queer pastor isn’t for the faint of heart. "A first-person essay on bisexuality, polyamory, and acceptance. By
Anonymous." He's a minister in the Methodists, a mainstream denomination
that is splitting apart. (Pittsburgh City Paper, Sept. 7)
It is an awkward position to be in when you are queer, poly, a pastor, and serving a super conservative church.I’d love to introduce myself to you fully. I’d love to tell you my name and those of the amazing Western Pennsylvania churches I serve. I’d love to introduce you to both my wife and my girlfriend. Unfortunately, due to the current state of the United Methodist Church, I cannot reveal my identity. If I did, I would lose my credentials, my income, and my life’s mission to serve God and the people in my community.
Jared Wickerham / Pittsburgh City Paper
None of the people in my congregations know that I am bisexual and polyamorous. They have loved me and my wife so well, and it’s disheartening to know that if they were aware I practice non-monogamy and want to pursue a same-sex relationship, my parishioners would likely reject me as their pastor and ask for a revocation of my credentials.If you’re unfamiliar with the United Methodist Church, you may not know that a denominational split is happening. The church has been divided for quite some time, and the division comes from differing beliefs about the LGBTQ and polyamorous community.There is some hope: A group of progressive pastors and laity like myself wish to include progressive members in the entire life of the church, with a desire to celebrate same-sex marriages and ordain LGBTQ clergy. But there is another group that wishes to do the exact opposite, and they’re not holding back in their discrimination. ...My parishioners say they love me, but is it love when I cannot be open about who I truly am? How can I effectively lead as a pastor when I have to keep part of myself hidden?...I can post pictures of my wife on social media, but my girlfriend must endure the heartache of not being able to post photos of us because my church folks could find out. Thankfully, she understands my situation, but my wife and I dream about having my girlfriend and her son move in with us. My wife also dreams of having partners other than me but knows that we cannot fully live this out without facing judgment from the church. Unfortunately, for the time being, it is nothing more than a dream.If parishioners were to drop by the house unexpectedly, our lifestyle would be exposed, and we would lose the ability to do ministry. That suppression is heartbreaking not just for me, but for both partners. ...I’ve been asked several times why I remain a pastor in a system that would seemingly reject who I am. The reality is... being a pastor is a calling. I know this is what I have been made to do.Because of that call, I remain in the Methodist church with the hope that by joining other progressive pastors, we can change our policy and fully include all believers into their community. ...I’d love nothing more than to have my house full with my wife, her partners, my girlfriend, and possibly a boyfriend if I met the right person. I would be ecstatic to come home from work and be greeted by all of them, then cook dinner and enjoy family time. I would adore the idea of having snuggles with all of them on the couch and watching a movie. I would love the chance to go out as a polycule and enjoy dinner, movies, and parks.And I would enjoy being able to do all of those things without the stress and pressures of being judged, condemned, and harassed by the conservative faction of the church....I don’t think I’ll ever understand why there are people in the church so against love. ...
However, a very out and feisty polyam presence exists in Christianity. This is especially worrying top evangelical leaders. See my Poly & Christian — a huge and diverse field.
● Last month I posted a call from Buzzfeed for stories from women, transfeminine, and nonbinary people
about why they decided to become nonmonogamous. Now
Buzzfeed has published the result: Monogamy Is In Its Flop Era. Women And Femmes Are Leading What’s
Next. (Sept. 7).
They got hundreds of responses. I don't know if any of you readers who
wrote are in it, but it's long and full of good stuff.
By Alessa DominguezSara was at a salsa dance event in Durham, North Carolina, when she saw her married friend talking intimately with a man she didn’t recognize. “And then she kissed him,” she recalled.She knew her friend’s husband was sitting across the room from her. “So I asked her about it,” she remembered.“She explained the basics of what polyamory was and I was just completely overwhelmed,” Sara told me. ...That night, the 32-year-old went home and told her husband about the revelation. ... The couple, who lives in Durham, went online, “did a bunch of research and…we decided that it sounded like a good fit for us.” They opened their relationship. After that, she met her girlfriend of five years, who introduced her to another partner, a man “married to me in everything except name.”He has since moved in with them, and “both of my husbands are also in relationships with my girlfriend."The ethos behind Sara’s relationships is becoming more common, and less stigmatized. Forms of sexual consensual nonmonogamy have been popular — or at least openly visible among gay men — for a long time. But more kinds of relationships outside the monogamous norm — from polyamory to relationship anarchy — are becoming less stigmatized in general....----------------------------------...Every time such studies come out, there’s surprise that women often identify as ethically nonmonogamous more than men. [Jessica] Fern isn’t surprised anymore. She says they’re often the ones who initiate conversations about moving away from monogamy. “It’s funny, ‘cause you would think, the way we sort of stereotype cis men, that they would bring it up ‘cause they want more sex,” she said. “And often they’re not the ones that bring it up.”...In her own life and in her practice, Fern has witnessed how the “opening up process” of polyamory “creates this awakening of the self, where you suddenly realize, like, ‘Ooh, I’ve been compromising. I’ve been saying yes when I mean no. I didn’t even know I could say no, right? I’ve been contorting myself as a half person and now I’m a full person.’ ”...----------------------------------...“I’m an older millennial and I grew up in a time that did not engender healthy relationship roles,” said Allie, a 36-year-old from Chicago. ... She shared a story about her current partner to reflect on how she’s changed.... “Had we been monogamous,” she added, “I would have felt a lot of pressure to perform for him, be sexy and fun, put my feelings aside so that I would give him the right impression and he wouldn’t think I was lame or whiny. But instead, I just got to feel my feelings and I didn’t have to worry that my partner would find someone else. It was really freeing. Not having to be someone’s everything, or have them be your everything means you can just be yourself."Lindsay, a 44-year-old from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, echoed that feeling. ... “Watching my husband try to figure out scheduling and planning has been amazing,” she added. “Seriously though, the improvement in communication with my husband has been one of the biggest benefits. Another great one is having more than one person to do things with. ... Also sex is amazing when you’re with people who are all super into communication.”Nonmonogamy has not only helped people to understand themselves better in relationships, but it has also expanded the way people think about their emotional habits. ...... Reading the passionate responses from hundreds of women, it’s clear that there’s no turning back for many of them, either.
Read the whole thing.
● A new and long-needed handbook is just out for therapists who have, or hope to have, poly and CNM clients: The Handbook of Consensual Non-Monogamy Affirming Mental Health
Practice. It's a collection "providing research-based training for mental health
practitioners who work with the consensual non-monogamy community," edited
by Michelle Vaughan and Theodore R. Burnes. (400-plus pages, Rowman
& Littlefield, 2022).
Medical Xpress prints a press release about it from Vaughan's
home institution: New handbook provides training for mental health practitioners
working with consensual non-monogamy community. (Sept. 1)
Michelle Vaughan with the book
By Erica Harrah, Wright State University
...The handbook was developed for mental health providers, including social workers, counselors, psychologists and psychiatrists, who want to become consensual non-monogamy-affirming practitioners.
Vaughan said that the handbook is the first of its kind in that it provides research-based training on how to work with the consensual non-monogamy (CNM) community.
"...The handbook garnered the #1 spot for new releases in psychotherapy on Amazon this summer when it was released and the SOPP is currently developing a series of continuing education training courses for mental health providers based on the book," said Vaughan. ...
"We have specific chapters from experts across disciplines on training and supervision, organizations, stigma, families and children, queerness and ethics designed to meet clinicians wherever they are on their journey to be CNM-affirming."
Vaughan said that relationship stigma is a major source of stress for those who practice consensual non-monogamy, primarily because of social messages and norms that people should and need to be monogamous, or mononormativity. Because of this stigma, laws, faith communities and health care providers typically are based in this norm, she said.
..."This handbook was created to provide a resource to folks who may not have access to training or consultation in this area and want an up-to-date, broad guide to clinical practice that integrates the voices of experts across disciplines with diverse perspectives," she said. "Given the rapid expansion of CNM literature in the social sciences, we were able to provide a resource that has greater breadth, depth, and integration of research than currently exists in similar books."
● Food for thought, but nothing groundbreaking: 12 Ways Polyamory Has Changed Dating For Better & For Worse (Sept. 16, in Bolde, "a platform for single women to express
themselves about dating & relationships.")
By Hannah Acton
...Positive ways polyamory has changed dating:1. It recontextualizes consent.Consent in the modern day has gained a new lease on life. It’s essential for monogamous relationships, let alone polyamorous. The stakes are higher when there are more people involved — it also means that consent becomes a bigger and more nuanced concept. ...2. It changes the meaning of boundaries....When multiple people are involved in a relationship, or when relationships that were previously monogamous open up to other people, well-communicated boundaries are essential. ...3. It’s extremely sex-positive. ...
4. We can assert our needs more clearly. ...
5. Sexual education improves. ...
6. Successful relationships are meant to look different. ...The downsides of polyamory7. Traditionalists are confused and angry. ...
8. Problems arise when you’re not on the same page. ...
9. There’s pressure to adapt.Even if you believe you’re pretty comfortable in your sexuality and monogamous relationship, you might feel external peer pressure to explore....10. People might use polyamory as an excuse for cheating. ...
11. There is pressure on the “main relationship.”...
12. There are new legal issues that our society cannot support. ...
● I really care about
accurate use of the word "polyamory," lest its meaning become so
vague and watered down in popular use that we can no longer use it to
explain who we are, or to find each other. But lots of
media these days do a good job of defining the different nonmonogamies.
For instance, Oh!MyMag ("a women's guide to the latest
trends in style, health, food, beauty, tips, and news") just put up a
brief Ethical Nonmonogamy 101 that accurately distinguishes open relationships, polyamory, and relational anarchy: Everything you need to know about non-monogamy (Sept. 16).
● Regarding another variety, from Cosmopolitan: What Is Solo Polyamory? (Sept. 13)
Meaningful romantic connections with multiple partners *and* an independent lifestyle? Yes, it’s possible.
Margie Rischiotto /Getty By Tatyannah King
So correct us if we’re wrong, but we’re guessing you’re probably familiar with polyamory, a form of non-monogamy in which people maintain multiple romantic relationships at the same time. But what about solo polyamory? Essentially, solo poly is a relationship style in which people see themselves as their own primary partner and prioritize their commitment to themselves over commitments that traditionally come with a partner.We know what you’re thinking. No commitment? No expectations? Sounds like pretty much the same thing as just being single or dating around without any exclusive titles, right? Wrong. Solo polyamory is an active choice rather than something that happens based on circumstance, and there are a number of different ways it can look in relationships.“Solo polyamory is a form of ethical non-monogamy practiced by individuals who enjoy multiple romantic and/or sexual relationships at the same time, and who still want to maintain an independent or ‘single’ lifestyle,” says Alice Child, certified somatic sexologist and founder of Vulva Dialogues. “This could mean they don’t want to live with a partner [or partners], share finances, have one ‘primary’ partner, operate within relationship hierarchies, or experience certain relationship milestones (e.g., marriage).”...“Solo polyamorists typically reject any sort of hierarchical structure or view themselves as their primary partner,” says Brooklyn-based sex therapist Annie Block. While most traditional romantic relationships follow a typical “relationship escalator” with a particular order of steps marking how serious the relationship is—meeting each other’s parents, moving in together, getting a dog, etc.—solo polyamorists don’t usually hold themselves or their relationships to any such timelines.____________________________________________Related Stories______________________________________________________
...If you’re interested in exploring solo polyamory, it’s a good idea to consider what your core values are and how your relationship fits into those values, if at all.“If you really prioritize alone time, if you don’t see yourself merging finances or moving in with a partner, and if you’re not interested in the institution of marriage, then maybe solo polyamory will be a good relational framework,” says Gabrielle Alexa Noel, director of marketing and lead portal developer at #open. “Even if you are open to those things but want the freedom to configure your relationships in ways that don’t assume they will happen, solo polyamory could be for you.”To those who aren’t familiar with solo polyamory, it might sound like “playing the field” without any intention of forming meaningful connections. However, that couldn’t be further from reality.“Not only is there strong communication, but a lot of people who identify as solo polyamorous are forming healthy and sustainable connections with other people,” Noel says....According to Block, “Practicing solo polyamory is an intentional choice and rejection of mono-normativity and traditional views on how relationships should progress” whereas being single is more coincidental. Moreover, people who practice solo polyamory can and do maintain meaningful emotional connections with partners, while being single generally wouldn’t include any such partnerships....Having access to a community of other solo polyamorists is key to helping people become more intentional about how and why they connect with others. ... It’s about forming meaningful connections on your own terms—which, if you ask us, seems pretty damn healthy, no?
● And last, a reminder that polyamory is really, really not for everyone. On KIMA-TV News24 in Yakima,
Washington, and other stations: Man in polyamorous relationship with wife, other man, charged with
assaulting the other man (Sept. 7). There was a gun, and it was almost used.
YAKIMA, Wash. — A man in a polyamorous relationship has been charged with assault and unlawful possession of a firearm in a domestic violence incident over the weekend.The police report says a man called 911 on Saturday and told operators that a man named Ross Bastion had a gun and said he was going to kill him and his wife....He says the three of them decided to go to bed. As they were lying in bed, Bastion got up and said he wasn’t doing this anymore, then left the room.The wife says she followed him out to the living room which is when Bastion pointed a gun at her head and that was when the man came into the living room and stepped between her and Bastion.She says Bastion told the man, “Take one more step, and I’ll kill you”.The man says he was able to convince Bastion to put the gun down after pleading and reasoning with him.He says he had the wife, and her kids go into the bedroom and close the door until police arrived.The wife told officers that Bastion was also a convicted felon.A criminal history report showed that Bastion was a convicted felon for trafficking stolen property and possession of a controlled substance with no prescription back in 2017. ...
So, did the guy who joined the couple check for any red flags? IMO,
when you start getting deeply involved with a stranger, googling is
prudent and needs no apology. To skip learning how, google "background
checks" and you'll see a zillion ads from companies that do basic ones
for as little as $30.
PS: Also IMO, firearms are a bad idea for a house with big
relationship drama. Note: Lots of houses will someday have big
relationship drama.
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Looking wider, is the tide beginning to turn?
Why, some of you ask, have I been ending most posts to this polyamory news site with the Ukraine war? Including links like this?
Because in my life, I've seen many progressive movements become
irrelevant and die out by failing to scan the wider world correctly
and understand their position in it strategically.
We polyamorous people are a small, weird minority of social-rule
breakers. Some influential people say we're a threat to society —
because by living successfully outside their worldview, we expose
its incompleteness. Our freedom to choose our relationship
structures, and to speak up for ourselves about the truth of
ourselves, is just one way we depend on a free and pluralistic society that respects people's dignity to create their own
lives, to access facts, and to speak of what they know.
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People, communities, and societies that create their own lives,
and who insist on the democratic structures and legal rights
that enable them to do so safely, infuriate and terrify the
authoritarians who are growing in power around the world and in
our own United States.
Such rulers and would-be rulers seek to stamp out other people's
freedom to choose their lives — by intimidation, repressive laws,
inflammatory disinformation and public incitement, or, eventually,
artillery.
For now, you can donate to Ukraine relief through
this list of organizations vetted by the Washington Post, or many others. We're giving
to a big one, Razom, and to a little one, Pizza for Ukraine in Kharkiv, a project of an old friend of my wife Sparkle
Moose.
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But that is only the start. For those of us born since
World War II, this is the most consequential war of our lifetimes.
(See also Tom Friedman's I Thought Putin Invaded Only Ukraine. I Was Wrong.)
The coming times are going to require hard things of us. We don't
get to choose the time and place in history we find ourselves born
into. We do get to choose how we respond to it. Buck up and be
ready.
Need a little help bucking up? Play this. Loud.
More, you want? Just some guys near Kharkiv (our Pizza for Ukraine town) helping to hold onto a free and
open society, a shrinking thing in the world. The tossed grenade seems
to have saved them. Maybe your granddad did this across a trench from
Hitler's troops — for you, and for us, because a world fascist
movement was successfully defeated that time, opening the way for the
rest of the 2oth century. Although the outcome didn't look good for a
couple of years there.
Remember, these people say they're doing it for us too. They are
correct. The global struggle between a free, open future and a fearful revival
of the dark past that's shaping up, including in our own country, is still in its early stages. The situation is going to get worse before it gets better. The
outcome is uncertain, and it will determine the 21st century and the
handling of all its other problems.
We'll have a better idea after the election. Whatever else you do,
vote.
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PS: Ukraine should not be idealized as the
paragon of an open democratic society. For instance, see If Ukraine Wants To Stand for Liberty and Democracy, It Should
Rethink Some of Its Wartime Policies (Reason, July 19). And the country had a history of
being run by corrupt oligarchs — until the Maidan Uprising of 2013,
the Revolution of Dignity in 2014, and Zelensky's overwhelming
election in 2019 as the anti-corruption candidate. So they're working
on that.
Now, writes US war correspondent George Packer in The Atlantic (Sept. 7),
Here was a country with a tragic history that had at last begun to build, with great effort, a better society. What made Ukraine different from any other country I had ever seen—certainly from my own—was its spirit of constant self-improvement, which included frank self-criticism. For example, there’s no cult of Volodymyr Zelensky in Ukraine—a number of Ukrainians told me that he had made mistakes, that they’d vote against him after the war was won. Maxim Prykupenko, a hospital director in Lviv, called Ukraine “a free country aspiring to be better all the time.” The Russians, he added, “are destroying a beautiful country for no logical reason to do it. Maybe they are destroying us just because we have a better life.”
They have a word there, with a deep history, for the horizontal,
self-organized mutual get-it-done that grows from community social
trust: hromada. Learn that word. It's getting them through. We polyfolks often hope to create that community spirit in
miniature, in our polycules and networks.
Social attitudes in Ukraine are generally traditional, but not
bitterly so like often in the US; the ideal of modern European civil
society is widely treasured, and social progressivism has room to
thrive. Some 37,000 women volunteers
reportedly
make up 22% of the armed forces, including 5,000 women currently
fighting on the front lines, some as artillery gunners, tankers, battlefield snipers, and machine gunners. LGBT folx in the armed forces openly wear symbols of LGBT pride on
their uniforms. (Whereas in Russia, it's a criminal offense even for a
civilian to wear a rainbow pin.) Writes kos in the big lefty news
site Daily Kos (July 29),
I find [this] particularly salient given American conservative hostility toward women serving in our military. People like Ted Cruz praising the supposed manliness of the Russian army, while claiming ours is weak because of “woke culture.” Ukraine puts that bullshit to bed, not just with the women serving in its ranks, but with gay soldiers very publicly sewing unicorn patches on their uniforms to denote their pride.
He retweets a meme from a military blogger on the plight of the abused
gay Russian draftee:
To hell with any conservatives who impugn anyone’s service as somehow less effective or honorable than white straight men.
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